Candidates show deep divide over war in Ukraine

Vivek Ramaswamy and Ron DeSantis saying they would cut off funding to Kyiv while others defended U.S. aid to the embattled nation.

Calls to stop Ukraine funding earned applause during the debate, but were not shared by all candidates. | Libkos/AP Photo


08/23/2023 10:44 PM EDT

The GOP divide on Ukraine was on full display during the debate, with Vivek Ramaswamy and Ron DeSantis saying they would cut off funding to Kyiv while others defended U.S. aid to the embattled nation.

“I find it offensive that we have professional politicians who will make a pilgrimage to Kyiv, to their pope, Zelenskyy, without doing the same for the people in Maui or the south side of Chicago,” he said, referring to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine.

DeSantis was more hedging, saying that he would stop aid to Ukraine unless European governments stepped up to “pull their weight.”

Those calls to stop Ukraine funding earned applause in the room, but were not shared by all candidates. Nikki Haley accused Ramaswamy of wanting to “hand Ukraine to Russia” and “let China eat Taiwan.”

“You are choosing a murderer” over an ally of the U.S., Haley said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“I wish you success on your future career on the boards of Lockheed and Raytheon,” Ramaswamy retorted, naming two large U.S. weapons manufacturers.

“You have no foreign policy experience and it shows,” Haley shot back, earning raucous applause in the arena.


  1. DeSantis belongs in the fascist junta of some shit country like Argentina.
    Ramaswamy belongs in the fascist Hindu party of Modi.
    How scum like that end up as candidates for the Grand Old Party is absolutely incredible. They have the maggot-riddled brains of third world trash dictators.

    • I wouldn’t disagree with you completely Sir Scradgel and as you know I’m no fan of DeSantis, although at one point I was. That said, what I was pleased to hear was the other candidates, except Ramaswamy (who showed his ignorance to foreign policy) show solid support for Ukraine and it appeared to me that the audience was cheering that support. Nicki was outstanding and rammed a missile up Ramswammy’s ass. She was great. As for DeSantis, I could be wrong, but I saw him pull back about his position where now he’s calling for Europe to pull its share which seems to be a softening of his previous position and it is a trend in the US population. Unfortunately, the US population don’t see that Europe is pulling its fair share because the media doesn’t show it but anyone looking at the stats knows Europe is there for Ukraine. Wish it was more but they are there. All in all I’m in love with Nicki. She was outstanding.

      • DeSantis switches positions according to what he thinks works best for him. When he’s with Carlson he’s full-on putler, if it’s Hannity he’s flexible. Despicable scum.
        I have not seen the recording, but according to reports, putler has no need to worry about losing Trumpkov to incarceration, because Ramaswamy is even more pro-putler than Trumpkov. In fact he’s one deeply sinister Ukraine-hating motherfucker.
        Haley did well, but the concensus is that Ramaswamy shaded it.
        Christie was poor and the other candidates just didn’t make any headway at all.
        Any Ukrainian should fear a Trump-Ramaswamy ticket. They will stop all aid if they win and will state that they have a mandate.
        It looks like it’s down to Nikki Haley to take them out.

        • Agreed. Nikki was wonderful and you’re right about DeSantis. Hard to trust anyone that sways with the wind. I do fear Ramaswamy. He’s terrifying.

  2. Meduza:

    Elizaveta Antonova/Meduza, 23 August:

    ….Dmitry Utkin (callsign “Wagner”) first started participating in mercenary operations in 2013. Before that, according to the St. Petersburg outlet Fontanka, he served as a lieutenant colonel in a GRU special forces brigade based in Pskov. Utkin reportedly chose his call-sign out of sympathy for the ideology of the Third Reich (Richard Wagner is considered to have been Adolf Hitler’s favorite composer). Acquaintances of Utkin have spoken about his Nazi views in the past.

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