Trump’s yearslong crusade against Ukraine has finally come home to roost as Republicans call for abandoning Kyiv

In a phone call with Ukraine’s president this month, US President Joe Biden pledged continued solidarity with Ukraine as it battles Russia’s military invasion and illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory.

But that level of support could be in jeopardy if the GOP gains control of the House of Representatives in this year’s midterm elections.

The warning signs have been building for months.

In April, 10 House Republicans voted against a bill allowing the Biden administration to more easily lend military equipment to Ukraine. The following month, 57 House Republicans voted “no” on a nearly $40 billion aid package for Ukraine. Both measures ultimately passed the chamber.

“I think people are gonna be sitting in a recession and they’re not going to write a blank check to Ukraine,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who’s favored to become House Speaker if the GOP retakes the chamber, recently told Punchbowl News. “They just won’t do it.”

Ukraine has repeatedly defied expectations since Russia launched its unprovoked invasion, delivering a blow to the Russian military’s prestige. With the help of Western aid and at a massive personal cost, Ukrainian forces prevented Russia from seizing Kyiv in the early days of the war and more recently launched a counteroffensive that’s shown major signs of success.

But a far-right faction of the GOP has increasingly pushed against continued assistance to Ukraine, saying the aid the US has provided to Kyiv is too costly and not worth the risk of sparking a wider conflict with Russia.

The GOP’s gradual shift away from Ukraine and toward Russia has been years in the making, but right-wing hostility against Ukraine hit a pivotal point during Donald Trump’s presidency.

In addition to peddling the conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 US election, Trump was impeached in 2019 for withholding hundreds of millions in vital aid to Ukraine as it fought a war against Kremlin-backed separatists in the eastern Donbas region.

While withholding the aid, Trump and his allies pressured Zelenskyy, a political neophyte who won the 2019 election in a landslide victory, to launch an investigation targeting the Bidens ahead of the 2020 US election.

Foreign policy experts said Trump’s actions — dangling security assistance in exchange for political favors — were a threat to the US’s national security and bipartisan support for Ukraine. But the vast majority of congressional Republicans rallied to Trump’s defense, and ultimately, just one Senate Republican, Mitt Romney, voted to convict the former president over his actions.

In the years since, Trump has continued to take a controversial stance on Ukraine and often lauds Russian President Vladimir Putin amid a historically contentious period in US-Russia relations. And when Russian forces invaded Ukraine in February, Trump praised Putin’s justifications for launching the attack as “genius” and “savvy.”

Anti-Ukraine sentiment doesn’t just come from the top of the GOP. Putin has long been seen as a hero by the alt-right and white nationalists, and since Russia invaded Ukraine, many prominent right-wing politicians and media figures have moved in lockstep with the Kremlin, creating a feedback loop where each side amplifies and recycles the other’s propaganda.

On Fox News, for instance, the far-right host Tucker Carlson has repeatedly echoed a nonsense conspiracy theory, which originated in Moscow before taking root in the US, suggesting that Ukraine houses US-funded bioweapons labs.

Russian state-sponsored media outlets in turn frequently feature Carlson’s segments, and in March, Mother Jones reported that the Russian government instructed state media that it was “essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson” to spread negative information about Ukraine, the US, and NATO.

“When we see Fox News commentators, from our perspective, promote isolationist positions — that looks like support for Russia,” Mykola Kniazhytskyi, a member of Ukraine’s parliament, recently told NPR.

Some GOP opposition to continuing aid to Ukraine is tied to Trump’s “America First” policy vis-a-vis foreign affairs. Trump embraced a non-interventionist stance and was often critical of US spending abroad, particularly when it came to NATO and European security.

Congressional Republicans like Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Sen. Josh Hawley have echoed these sentiments in their criticism of US assistance to Ukraine.

It’s a remarkable shift for the Republican Party, which for years touted a hawkish position on foreign policy, especially as it related to leading adversaries like Russia. But under Trump’s stewardship, the party has become increasingly isolationist, and its growing opposition to aiding Ukraine is the latest and clearest sign of that.

Biden, meanwhile, has made the case that supporting Ukraine is part of a wider fight between democracy and autocracy. But a growing number of Republicans say sending aid to Kyiv should not be prioritized in Washington amid concerns over inflation and a potential recession.

“When people are seeing a 13% increase in grocery prices; energy, utility bills doubling … if you’re a border community and you’re being overrun by migrants and fentanyl, Ukraine is the furthest thing from your mind,” GOP Rep. Kelly Armstrong told Axios.

Democrats are more optimistic about retaining the Senate, but according to forecaster FiveThirtyEight, their chances have gone down in recent weeks based on polling in four key contests in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, and North Carolina.

And in Ohio, GOP Senate candidate JD Vance has made it clear that he would vote against sending more aid to Ukraine, saying in September that “we’ve got to stop the money spigot to Ukraine eventually. We cannot fund a long-term military conflict that I think ultimately has diminishing returns for our own country.”

There are some in Kyiv who believe that US support to Ukraine will continue regardless of which party controls Congress.

“Ukraine unfortunately has been hijacked sometimes in domestic politics. Now and then that happens,” Tymofiy Mylovanov, an advisor to Zelenskyy who previously served as Ukraine’s economic minister, told Insider. “We try our best to stay away from this. We would like to stay away from this.”

“Despite all that rhetoric, the support has always been bipartisan,” Mylovanov said, adding that the amount of assistance Ukraine needs is a small fraction of the US GDP. “In terms of what it means in the budget — it means nothing. It’s not trillions of dollars,” he said.

The US has provided over $20 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since Russia invaded and annexed Crimea in 2014. The Biden administration has sent Ukraine $18.2 billion in military aid, including roughly $17.6 billion since Russia launched its full-scale invasion in late February.

Other Western countries have provided important assistance to Ukraine, but the US has contributed the most of any individual country so far.

Weapons the US sent, including Javelin anti-tank missiles and High-Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), have turned the tables on Russia by blunting its previous advantages in armored vehicles and artillery. If US aid to Kyiv suddenly dried up, it would likely curtail Ukraine’s ability to oust sizable Russian columns from dug-in positions.

Trump, meanwhile, called for a negotiated settlement to the war during a rally earlier this month. “We must demand the immediate negotiation of a peaceful end to the war in Ukraine or we will end up in World War III,” he said at the time.

But Putin has shown little interest in negotiating, as evidenced by the drastic steps he’s taken in recent weeks. Beyond the illegal annexations, Putin announced a partial military mobilization — calling up hundreds of thousands of men — and imposed martial law in the regions Moscow claims are now part of Russia but does not fully control.

Russia has also ramped up missile and drone attacks against civilian areas while destroying key infrastructure across Ukraine.

But Mylovanov, the former economic minister who is also the president at the Kyiv School of Economics, said that while Russia wants Ukraine to surrender, the “Ukrainian people will not have it.”

“People think that what happens in Kyiv is decided either in Moscow or Washington or Brussels, or maybe Beijing. It is not, it’s decided in Ukraine,” Mylovanov said.

“The cards have been dealt,” he added, and it’s up to the US if it wants to be at the table.

© 2022 Business Insider


    • I think the party will be remained divided on Ukraine. I think the Democrats already prepared for a House against supporting Ukraine by these long term support packages. The President van veto any proposal in the House to end it.

      If the Republicans indeed win the elections, they will most likely further solidify support within the period between elections and the new representatives being installed. So in the short or medium term, support for Ukraine is guaranteed, no matter how the Republicans will perform during elections.

      Still I don’t think there will be a majority against aid to Ukraine, because I guess there will be a sufficient number of Republicans that do support Ukraine.

    • The article is baseless..

      Did Obama/Biden help us in Ukraine in 2014????

      Biden states about minor incursions by the Russians and does not supply us weapons for months, even though Putler was trying to assassinate Zelenskyy?

      The only thing that was stated by the American GOP had to do with, where is the money going. Even our soldiers are asking the same in some areas.

      Trump helped us when he was in office….Obama/Biden sat eating popcorn when the Russian tanks rolled into Crimea

      • You’ve got a point on Obama not doing much of anything, but Vp Joe Biden was advocating for Ukraine and making requests for lethal aid to be provided which Obama ignored or dismissed.
        I’m all for greater accountability by allies as well as internally in Ukraine.

        Here’s a list of U.S. provisions:
        President Barack Obama approved military aid for Ukraine:

        Trained Ukrainian troops since April 2015 as part of JMTG-U (Joint Multinational Training Group-Ukraine) [528]
        US$5 million of non-lethal military equipment on 4 June 2014.[529][530][531]
        $75 million of non-lethal military equipment on 11 March 2015.[532][533][534]

        President Donald Trump approved military aid for Ukraine:

        $560 million on 12 May 2017 via the 2017 Consolidated Appropriations Act.[535]
        $350 million on 12 December 2017 via the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act.[536]
        Light weapons export license approved on 13 December 2017.[537]
        $47 million of lethal weapons, including 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles, on 1 March 2018.[538] which V.P. Biden requested and Trump signed off on.
        $250 million of security aid, including $50 million in lethal weapons,[539] on 12 September 2019.[540][541][542]Which was withheld for a time, as well as a hold on nato standard small arms munition that wasn’t resolved till much later.
        $250 million of lethal military equipment on 11 June 2020.[543][544]
        $600 million of security aid, including 16 Mark VI patrol boats, on 17 June 2020.[545][546]

        President Joe Biden approved military aid for Ukraine:

        90 tons[clarification needed] of lethal military equipment on 22 January 2021.[547][548]
        $125 million of lethal military equipment on 1 March 2021.[549][550]
        $150 million of lethal military equipment on 11 June 2021.[551][552]
        $60 million of lethal military equipment on 1 September 2021.[553][554][555]
        $350 million of lethal military equipment, on 25 February 2022.[556][557][558]
        US Secretary of State Antony Blinken assured Ukraine’s foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba of unspecified further military aid, on 1 March 2022.[559][560]
        $200 million of arms and equipment, including Javelin anti-tank missiles and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, on 12 March 2022.[561]
        The White House said that before 16 March 2022, aid sent by the US included:[562]
        600 Stinger systems
        About 2,600 Javelin missiles
        Five Mil Mi-17 helicopters
        Three patrol boats
        Four counter-artillery and counter-unmanned aerial system tracking radars
        Four counter-mortar radar systems
        200 grenade launchers and ammunition
        200 shotguns
        200 machine guns
        Nearly 40 million rounds of small arms ammunition
        Over 1 million grenade, mortar and artillery rounds
        70 Humvees and other vehicles
        Unspecified amounts of secure communications, electronic warfare detection systems, body armor, helmets and other tactical gear, military medical equipment, explosive ordnance disposal and demining equipment
        Satellite imagery and analysis capability.
        $800 million in military equipment announced on 16 March 2022, funded from the $13.6 billion in aid signed on 15 March. The package includes:[563]
        2,000 Javelin anti-tank missiles
        1,000 light anti-armor weapons
        6,000 AT4 anti-armor systems
        800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems
        100 Switchblade drones[564]
        100 grenade launchers
        5,000 rifles
        1,000 pistols
        400 machine guns
        400 shotguns
        Over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition, grenade launcher rounds and mortar rounds
        25,000 sets of body armor
        25,000 helmets
        Laser-Guided Rockets
        $800 million of lethal military equipment, on 13 April 2022:[565][566]
        18 M777 howitzers calibre 155 mm and 40,000 rounds of artillery ammunition
        11 Mi-17 military helicopters[567]
        200 armoured personnel carriers
        ‘counter-artillery radars’.[568][569]
        $800m military package was announced 21 April completing the drawdown from the $13.6bn military and humanitarian funding envelope approved by Congress 15 March[570]
        72 M777 155 mm towed howitzer with 144,000 rounds of ammunition[570]
        72 artillery towing vehicles
        121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones, a reduced capability alternative to the Switchblade quickly designed for export to Ukraine.[571]

        5 May the California National Guard had announced it had donated 4,320 ballistic vests, 1,580 helmets and facilitated the delivery of 7 medical field stations to Ukraine.[572] 6 May another military package was announced worth $150 million:[573]

        25,000 155mm artillery shells
        Counter artillery radars
        Jamming equipment
        Spare parts[574]

        19 May 2022, the Department of Defense (DoD) announces the authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to an additional $100 million:[575]

        18 155mm Howitzers;
        18 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
        3 AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars; and
        Field equipment and spare parts.

        1 June 2022 another military package was announced worth $700 million High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;

        Four M142 HIMARS and ammunition
        Five counter-artillery radars
        Two air surveillance radars
        1,000 Javelin missiles and 50 Command Launch Units
        6,000 anti-armour weapons
        15,000 155 millimetre artillery rounds,
        Four Mi-17 helicopters
        15 tactical vehicles
        Spare parts and equipment [576][577]

        15 June 2022 the twelfth military package was announced worth $1 billion;

        18 155mm M777 howitzer howitzers
        18 tactical vehicles for towing howitzers
        36,000 155mm artillery shells
        Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
        Four tactical recovery vehicles
        Spare parts and other equipment
        Two Harpoon coastal defence launchers without ammunition
        Thousands of military radios
        Thousands of night vision equipment and optics
        Funding for training, maintenance, sustainment, transportation, and administrative costs [578]

        23 June 2022 thirteenth military package was announced worth $450 million;

        Four additional M142 HIMARS
        36,000 105mm artillery shells
        18 artillery towing tactical vehicles
        1,200 grenade launchers
        2000 machine guns
        Two Small unit riverine craft
        10 Sea Ark Dauntless-class patrol boats
        Six 40-foot maritime combat craft
        Spare parts and other equipment [579][580]

        1 July the United States government announced the 14th aid package for Ukraine including:

        “Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)”;
        “Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS)”;
        “Up to 150,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition”; and
        “Four additional counter-artillery radars.” Some total $820 million in total.[581]

        8 July the United States announced their 15th aid package valued at $400 million, the package includes:

        4 additional M142 HIMARS (bringing the number of HIMARS pledged to Ukraine to 12).
        Additional HIMARS ammunition.
        Additional 155mm artillery shells including “A new type [of] 155 mm artillery ammunition,” A senior U.S. official said these shells offer a “greater precision” than ordinary shells. Not confirming if they M982 Excalibur the official said: “It offers Ukraine precise capability for specific targets. It will save ammunition. It will be more effective due to the precision.” [582]
        “Three tactical trucks”
        “Counter-battery systems”
        “Demolition munitions” [583]

        22 July 2022 the United States government announced their 16th aid package valued at $270 million consisting of:

        Four additional M142 HIMARS with ammunition, bring the number pledged to 16.
        Four command post vehicles.
        36,000 105mm artillery shells.
        Up to 580 Phoenix Ghost loitering drones.
        Additional anti-armour weapons of unknown model or quantity.
        Additional spare parts and other equipment.[584]

        1 August 2022, the US has announced the 17th aid package for Ukraine, valued at $550 million. Including 75,000 rounds of 155mm and more HIMARS ammunition.[585]

        8 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 18th military aid package for Ukraine:

        Additional HIMARS ammunition
        75,000 155mm artillery shells
        20 120mm mortars
        20,000 120mm mortar rounds
        Munitions for the NASAMS
        1,000 Javelin and “hundreds” of AT4 anti armour weapons
        Claymore mines
        C-4 explosives, demolitions munitions and demolition equipment
        50 armoured medical vehicles
        Medical supplies, to include first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment.[586]

        20 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 19th military aid package for Ukraine:

        Additional ammunition for HIMARS
        16 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
        15 Scan Eagle UAVs
        40 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles with mine rollers
        Additional high speed anti-radiation missiles
        50 armoured Humvee vehicles
        1,500 BGM-71 TOW missiles
        1,000 Javelin anti armour systems
        2,000 “anti armour rounds”
        Mine clearing equipment and systems
        Demolitions munitions
        Tactical secure communications systems
        Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders.[587]

        The Pentagon has also confirmed that Ukraine has been supplied with AGM-88 HARM at an unknown date after wreckage was found near a Russian position.[588]

        24 August a $2.98bn package through the Foreign Military Sales process was announced for Ukraine to purchase military hardware from manufacturers, including:

        Air defense systems.
        Artillery systems and munitions.
        Counter-unmanned aerial systems, and radars. These purchases will come directly from US manufacturers with deliveries over a two-year period. Unlike previous donations which were mostly from existing US military stocks this will be for freshly manufactured equipment.[589]

        8 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 20th military aid package to Ukraine:

        Additional ammunition for HIMARS
        Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
        Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARM)
        100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV)
        1.5 million rounds of small arms ammunition
        More than 5,000 anti-armor systems
        1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems
        Additional grenade launchers and small arms
        50 armoured medical treatment vehicles#
        Night vision devices and other field equipment.[590]

        15 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 21st military aid package to Ukraine:

        Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
        36,000 105mm artillery rounds
        1,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds
        Four counter-artillery radars
        Four trucks and eight trailers to transport heavy equipment;
        Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
        Mine clearing equipment
        Claymore anti-personnel munitions
        Demolition munitions and equipment
        Small arms and ammunition
        Night vision devices, cold weather gear, and other field equipment[591]

        28 September 2022 the US DoD announced a military aid package worth $1.1 billion for Ukraine:

        18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
        additional ammunition for HIMARs
        150 HMMWV vehicles
        150 “Tactical vehicles” for towing weapons
        40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment
        Two UAS radars
        20 Multi-mission radars
        Counter UAS systems
        Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optic
        Explosive ordnance disposal equipment
        Body armour and other field equipment
        Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.[592]

        4 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $625 million:

        Four HIMAR systems with additional rockets
        16 155mm howitzers
        75,000 155mm artillery shells
        500 Precision guided artillery shells
        1,000 Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) shells
        16 105mm howitzers
        30,000 120mm mortar rounds
        200 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles
        200,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
        Obstacle emplacement equipment
        Claymore anti-personnel munitions.[593]

        14 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $725 million:

        Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
        23,000 155mm artillery rounds;

        500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;

        500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
        5,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems;
        5,000 anti-tank weapons;
        High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
        More than 200 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
        Small arms and more than 2,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
        Medical supplies.[594]
        So don’t tell me the Biden Administration didn’t provide for months. Biden Admin was providing over a year before the escalation in pootins genocidal war against Ukraine.

  1. A vote for the Trumpkov wing of the GOP is a vote for torture, rape, thieving, abduction, destruction and genocide.

  2. Actually, this article ignores the fact that America’s economy is struggling with inflation right now, which is caused by higher government spending. Most Republicans here are saying that if we don’t stop the government spending, America may suffer a serious economic crash in the near future. Already, I’ve seen that food prices have tripled since about two years ago. I know that some of that is because of Ukraine’s justifiable fight against putin, but prices here have been rising sharply before putin even started sending any extra forces towards the border. I think they’re arguing that to fix other people’s problems, America needs to fix its own, especially the rising costs, before we’ll have the money to send outside the country. I just wish it didn’t sound more like isolationism, because I do have some good reasons to want to fight putin, especially when I’m going there in a little over two weeks now.

    • America can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can address our domestic issues as well as provide enormous amounts of support for our friend and ally Ukraine.

    • The support for Ukraine is like a drop in the ocean compared to the U.S. budget. They don’t even notice it.

      And much of it doesn’t cost money, or not immediately.
      It is counted even if the arms are from retired army stocks which will never be replaced. Like the Humvees, which are all in the process of deactivation.

      I am grateful to the American tax payer, but the U.S. has the biggest economy in the world and no one will notice 100 billion more or less.

      Indirect costs of the war are far greater, as the war has caused an economic recession, exorbitant inflation which do have a noticeable effect on all Americans.

      So every dollar given to Ukraine is also benefiting the American economy.

        • I didn’t get to finish my thought before because I needed to get ready for work, but I’ll add this. I remember Trump saying that often when he makes decisions, he “goes with his gut,” that is to say trying to be intuitive when making educated guesses, sometimes listening to advice, and sometimes ignoring it. This has been the great secret of his unpredictability, and what I think made putin reluctant to try anything like those “training maneuvers” he sent near the Ukrainian border. This has been why the American economy was rising strongly during his administration, but relying on the feeling of “instincts” means that while Trump takes greater risks with greater rewards, there’s also a greater chance of mistakes, like he did when he sought a personal discussion with putin, and a different one with the north korean dictator kim jong un.

          The governor in charge of the American state of Florida Ron DeSantis, a lot of Republicans here are very encouraged about his policies and decisions regarding managing Florida state during the covid nonsense. Even the democrats have been praising his decisions with the hurricane Ian response after it surged across the state. But I don’t know what DeSantis’ attitude toward foreign policy is. I understand why you’d think of America as rich compared to other countries, because indeed products or services cost less here than other places. But I’m barely able to keep all my bills paid each month. The only way I was able to schedule an airline flight to Poland, and then visit Ukraine, is because of an error for the amount of my monthly rent. They said I didn’t need to pay my rent in September because of that.

        • I’d replied, but the spam filter thought I was a robot. I need to go to sleep. For work here, I need to get up a little after 1:00 in the morning, so I need sleep

  3. The GOP types that are arguing against Ukraine aid are much like the isolationists in the 30s and early 40s. The argument against a wider war, and then not sending aid, will result in a wider world. It’s simply political myopia.

      • I agree ..but American’s talk too much about Dem or Rep….

        When they start acting like American’s, the world will be safer again

        • True. But sadly Biden is an anti-white racist. He doesn’t really support our ukrainian heroes. Since many right-wing parties (unfortunately) were closely tied to RuSSia, Biden, Obama and Pelosi started a crusade against Ivan. In general bipartisan support for Ukraine is best. Ukraine must not be dragged into domestic US feuds.

          • ??? I’m Ukrainian, and conservative. Why would I want to be supporting abortion etc?? We are Christian.

            Biden/Obama/Clinton supported Putin. Don’t be fooled by this mediocre response….

            Ask yourself, who did nothing for us in Ukraine in 2014? Who made a deal with Vlad before they invaded in 2014? Who gave Putin Uranium ??

      • That is true, but currently it is much more prevalent among Republicans. It used to be the other way around though, especially because of war fatigue because of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    • GOP types????

      We from Ukraine don’t care about your DEMS or GOP. Get your act together and start working as a team.

      Biden gives us short range weapons so we cannot attack Russia….but sacrificing Ukrainians is okay, he is saying

      • Many Republicans oppose giving anything and want to strike a deal with Putin.
        I hate Biden for being a pussy, but I would choose Biden’s short range missiles over nothing any time of the day.

        Even though Ukraine could have sealed the deal already if Ukraine was properly armed, it was Biden that saved Ukraine’s ass.

        • Zel was going after Poroshenko, but without the work Porky did, Zelensky would probably be dead. Biden has been a help, but it is much like giving a small dose of medication when the clinically effective dose is much larger. it might slow the progress, but eventually the patient is dead.

          I wish ATACMS was in Ukraine right now. I also understand the cowardice behind not shipping it to Ukraine. If Ukraine can complete development of their own long range missile, then I would forget about ATACMS and start using it to seal off the battlefield from Russia. The most important thing is battlefield isolation. The Orcs will then starve and have little to fight with.

      • If you think the Dims and GOP are going to work together, you are naïve, to be charitable. It’s like expecting cobra to be best friends with a mongoose. Frankly, the only reason Biden has supported Ukraine is because of the Russia hoax on the 2016 election. Politically, he can’t afford to be seen as going easy on Russia, despite the foolishness he and Obama pulled with Putin in the past.

          • My young friend, the Mueller report says nothing on the subject. The report is simply a heap of lies.

                • I know that is your opinion Sir Oh. It is a long read but wasn’t just pulled out of a hat. Volume 1 of the two volume set was just one wheel shy of coordinated conspiracy. Volume 2 covered 24 cases of obstruction, which without he may not have even been part of the russia investigation. of those 24 , 10 had a good case prosecutorally.
                  AG Bill Barr’s interpretation of findings was erroneous and misleading. So Teflon Don skated again. I think the ice has grown thin enough with multiple cracks under him however, that he is about to sink quickly.

                  • OH is a Trump supporter. I am a fascist, but i do not support Trump no more. In the GOP we valued the tradition of Ronald Reagan, not racist putlerists as is the case with too many Trumpists. Nevertheless i respect all opinions, and we should prevent any infighting, since it would only help the enemy. United we stand, divided we fall.

                    • Mike, you are acting like an idiot now. I supported Trump, and he is no fascist except in the overactive imaginations of leftists and the myopic. many Trump supported are idiots when it comes to Ukraine. The main problem for them is that Trump has said he would continue to supply weapons to Ukraine and actually started supplying them when Obama refused to do so. He also told Putin he would bomb the Kremlin if Putin invaded Ukraine.

                      Most of the far right idiots that “support” trump are ignorant of where he actually stands. that includes the idiots at “Hateway” Pundit and other faux-conservative sites.

                      If you actually think Trump is a fascist, you are ignorant beyond words and have bought into the lies of the far left.

                    • I said that I am a fascist, not Trump. I’m a law and order +zero immigration man (except for ukrainian refugees). Trump sadly attracts racists. Fascism and racism is not the same. Just look what they are doing to Kanye West…

                    • At least you think are honest. I doubt you even understand what a fascist is.

                    • It means law and order, represented by the ‘fasci’, the symbol of the rule of law in the Roman Empire.

                    • It long ago quit meaning “Law and Order.” That was a symbol for the Roman state, but the meaning now is utter statism.

                  • You need to consider the source. Much of the “report” was pulled out of a hat. The little truth that was in it was so hemmed in with lies, the entire report must be considered a lie. That is not merely “my opinion.”

  4. America help start this problem in 2014….So much for American’s and their signature on paper …ie Budapest Treaty

    The same goes for UK and Russia

    • Budapest Memorandum was watered down by the Clinton Administration back in 1994. Unfortunately I will finally have to agree that U.S. gave the opening for the problem.

        • Yes. But I do think we can’t say that it was bad that Ukraine gave up its weapons. Imagine a Yanukovich with nukes. Imagine what could have happened if there were nukes in the Donbas when Ukraine lost control in 2014.

          And would Ukraine have had the same level of support if there was no Budapest Referendum?

          Looking bad, the Budapest Memorandum seems like the stupidest idea ever, but we simply can’t know what the chain of events would be like if Ukraine still had them.

          • It’s like selling your car and getting nothing in return..

            We got nothing in Ukraine for giving them up….

            3000 warheads at 17 million a piece..on the low side.

            Do the math. The American’s, Russian’s and UK ripped us off

              • LOL…gas bills…do the math as Gas in Ukraine is cheap, Bill.

                Are you Ukrainian?

                What other compensation? Is that American for, oh well?

                • Though disputed by Ukraine gas debt was 1.3 billion, paid. As you can see Sir Bo, I CAN do math. Cost of dismantling silos was paid for.
                  US paid a massive sum to buy Ukraine’s stockpile of enriched uranium.
                  One of the biggest flaws in the Budapest memorandum was,
                  “The agreement also vowed that, if aggression took place, the signatories would seek immediate action from the United Nations Security Council” to aid Ukraine.
                  ~Expecting the UNSC to take meaningful immediate action in response to aggression was not realistic.
                  Many words in American English meaning oh well, but compensation is not one of them.

                • I know that is not added up to your figure even with actual tally being under 3k nukes. I was trying to get more specifics on the other factors but not finding the documentation at this time.

  5. You won’t find it either..

    Those Nukes would have deterred Russia from invading us…..but we expected the US and UK to help us in 2014…….but they were missing in action

    • It’s not that the data is unavailable. Sorry the schizoruscists invaded your country TWICE. Sorry U.K. and U.S. massively dropped the ball , screwed your country out of money and defence, then left you to hang out to dry for 8 years. You know some complained about having to back track 2-8 years and yet I’m being asked to go back almost 30 and have dozens of stats, agreements, and documents memorized. If you wish to discuss this more Sir Bo I’ll touch back here when I’m on a better device to do research for ya.

  6. One thing I’ve run across that contributed to Ukraine’s decision to not try to keep the nukes was the maintenance costs. Without that maintenance even by 2014 they may well have been pretty useless. Also had they remained some could have been used by the ruscists from Crimea or Donbass and ruscists if course wouldn’t have claimed responsibility. Also however had they remained Poroshenko would have perhaps got them up to working status.
    Another thing I ran across was that the watered down wording U.S. and U.K. settled on didn’t translate over correctly to the Ukrainian or russian language.

      • Very very true Sir Bo. It is truly messed up how it was last minute manipulated before being signed. (Budapest Memorandum) It was an executive agreement and not a treaty, meaning that Congress had not approved it. Deplorable that overwhelming support wasn’t immediately provided by the U.K. and U.S. in 2014, and even worse that they haven’t gone full bore fighting beside AFU and the UFL to drive the schizoruscists into the dust.
        Jumping back to subject, contrary to what I thought overdue gas bill was resolved by decommission several bombers in accordance with 2002 START 1(which would have been nice to still have a few) also Ukraine lost 1068 Kh-55s in that jacked up transaction. Another dumb part about it was it didn’t allow for the planes to be converted to non nuke and kept. Only 15 percent of the of the bombers were in flying condition. Apparently two still were converted, and two were turned over to a museum.
        More things I found that were provided for the Missiles, silos, and such. the HighlyEnrichedUranium was exchanged for LowerEnrichedUranium. Cost of removing and closing silos was provided for. A large complex was built supplied, and provided for medical isotopes and LEU for NPPs. Having trouble finding the article again at the moment. Still doing research.

        Short animation as to how crap went down:

  7. Some more back story:
    While Ukraine’s political elites stood by their earlier commitment to disarm, they nevertheless resented Russian claims that Soviet nuclear weapons on Ukraine’s territory belonged to Russia alone. Ukraine insisted that it should be included as an equal party to the Treaty on Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms (START), signed by the United States and the Soviet Union on July 31, 1991. This mile-stone arms control treaty took nine years to negotiate, but 19 days after its signature the Soviet Union began its precipitous fall, leaving the Treaty unratified.

    The multilateralization of START confirmed that Ukraine was not a passive bystander, but rather an active participant in deciding the fate of Soviet nuclear weapons. At the same time, the Lisbon protocol became Ukraine’s first international legal commitment to denuclearize. It also meant that START would come into force only after it was ratified by the legislatures of all five signatories, including Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada.

    Ukraine’s president Leonid Kravchuk introduced START and the Lisbon protocol to the Rada in November 1992, but the ensuing deliberations revealed that due to differing positions on Ukraine’s nuclear future, START ratification and NPT accession would not be smooth. The Verkhovna Rada was not going to simply rubberstamp what the executive had signed in Lisbon.

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