Klimkin: West Running Out Of Patience, It Will Fight Together With Ukraine

There have been several landmark events

25.08.2022

PAVLO KLIMKIN

The landmark statements made by Western leaders in recent weeks, particularly on the Crimean platform, indicate that the West has woken up, that it has realized the danger posed to the entire civilized world by Putin’s regime in Russia. Their patience has run out.

The participation of European armies in Russia’s war against Ukraine is an absolutely real prospect. We are talking about the liberation of all the occupied territories of Ukraine, including Crimea. In essence, the Third World War has already begun.

This opinion was expressed in an exclusive interview with obozrevatel.com by Ukrainian Foreign Minister in 2014-2019 Pavlo Klimkin.

– What is your opinion about French President Macron’s speech on the Crimean platform? You should agree that this is quite unusual rhetoric for him – he called for no compromises with Russia. What was the reason? Has patience run out?

– Patience did not run out yesterday. Macron was one of those who lobbied for a decision on our candidate status in the European Union. He was already running out of patience even though a lot of people in Europe had doubts.

Look at what Scholz was saying a few days ago in Berlin – about Russia wanting to draw the borders of Europe with a pencil, about how we will not let Putin win. This alone means that all of Europe is beginning to lose its patience.

The war has been going on for six months and they realize it’s already turning more and more into a third world war. And in this third world we have to win together with the West, as part of the West. There are no other variants because otherwise there will be neither West, nor democratic values. In fact, there will be nothing.

This is the war for existence of Ukraine and the West. And everybody there understands it better. That is why there are such speeches.

– Do you think that Europe has realized that Putin poses a threat to their countries as well? In this context, the statement of British generals who called on their soldiers to be morally ready to participate in the war in Ukraine comes to mind.

– I think there will be such calls in the EU as well. We will get to that point. I think it is absolutely real. The armed forces of many European countries are talking about it.

It is absolutely clear to everyone that the West is waking up. It is not completely awake, we must wake it up finally. But it is already waking up, it understands that comfort zone is a nightmare that can end very badly.

– And what can we in Ukraine have as real consequences of such an awakening in Europe? Will it be increased military assistance, will it be, for example, assistance in the de-occupation of Crimea?

– I believe there will be more. At some point it will be direct influence and direct involvement of the West in this war against the Russian regime. In what form – we’ll see. But we must talk about de-occupation of the whole Ukraine, of course, including the Crimea, because it is sacred, holy for all of us, as well as any part of our territory. But the main thing is the sense of value.

Once you have given up values, it is almost impossible to get them back. That is, in fact, Ukraine’s mission. And I think, without any pathetics, that our mission in XXI century is to return the civilized world the understanding that there are values and we have to fight for them.

The West, which behaved as one trying to compromise for the sake of compromise, has also gradually started to come to a different understanding, albeit a bit belatedly. So we are not just seeing a change in rhetoric – we are seeing a change in action.

You can see how many countries have joined new assistance to Ukraine on the eve of Independence Day, how many countries are starting to say that they are training the Ukrainian military and so on. There are so many things that are converging together these days.

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9 comments

  1. I’m generally an optimist, but I’m also a realist, and so I don’t think like Klimkin does. I wish I could share hiss outlook, but I simply can’t. Most of Europe has been too lackluster in its effort to properly help Ukraine beat back the orc army. They’ve placed too many empty hopes on appeasement and worthless dialogue. The two biggest economies, Germany and France, have given a trivial amount of military aid. Of course, I would welcome their boots on the ground – or any other boots from Europe or North America, for that matter. However, I don’t think that there is enough courage to do so. Despite the beating the cockroach army has gotten, too many are still hiding beneath their desks, sucking their thumbs with fear of the ruskie bear.

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      • I just had an interesting conversation with a Kazakh family. They had been staying at a Turkish 5* (allegedly) hotel on an “all-inclusive” package. The guests were 60-40% Rus-Kazakh. The Kazakhs generally avoided the RuZZians; relations currently being at an all time low. However, the woman went out of her way to communicate with the rooskies; in the lift, in the restaurant, in the shops. “Where are you from?” The replies varied from “I’m ashamed to say I’m from Moscow” to “sorry, we’re Russian; we don’t support the war and we don’t watch kremlin TV.”
        She spoke to ten families and did not find even one putlerite.
        Encouraging.

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        • And those are vacationers. I imagine those million that already moved to Turkey probably like the war even less.
          Interesting for the Russians to assume she was interested in knowing if she watched Kremlin TV, lol…in other words, “no, I’m not crazy.” 😉

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          • The big question that needs to be addressed: what is the true level of support for the tiny poisoner inside his shithole?
            Knowing the truth of that would enable the allies to shape policy accordingly.
            That unscientific vox pop is useful, because the respondents were in a relaxed setting; away from putler’s gestapo.
            The situation in Georgia is more straightforward: they all hate RuZZia. But they are powerless like Russians. Georgia Dream stays in power putler-style with sham elections. Yet if there is another Rose Revolution, the rat invades.
            And the west? Likely does fuck all again.

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  2. Of course Russians abroad do not support Putler: they are the educated elite.

    90% of the Russians cannot afford a trip abroad and many do not even leave their own village. The TV is their sole connection with the world.

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  3. I am not sure if Klimkin is right, I think Focusser thinks the same as I do.
    However, I do believe that the West could surprise us and of course there is a lot happening behind the scenes.

    I think mostly the situation at the Zaporizhzhia NPP is something that could lead to a sudden change, as it endangers the entire West. Another thing that could lead to a change is the economic situation.

    I think the absurd inflation and most importantly, China being on the brink of economic collapse can lead to really big events.

    First of all, Xi is due for re-election so he might start a war to solidify his bid to remain China’s dictator, as he desperately needs an enemy to distract his party and the Chinese people from the economic woes and the unpopular and absurd Covid measures in his country.

    And even if China will not start a war (I am not certain yet it will happen, as China usually is risk-averse.), the rest of the world is absolutely going to feel the results of one of the world’s biggest economies collapsing.

    Together with the sky-high inflation, high energy prices and potentially refugee problems in Europe and fear of war and nuclear accidents, Western leaders feel that they have “to do something” and a war is often a great solution to show to the public that they are serious.

    For the same reason Bush invaded Iraq, even though they had nothing to do with 9/11 and other terrorist attacks in the West (of course Saddam Hussein was a madman, but not an immediate threat to the West). Attacks on the West were mostly planned in Pakistan and Saudi-Arabia. “Doing something” was more important than solving the problem.

    Don’t get me wrong, there were plenty of reasons to get rid of Saddam’s regime and I do not feel bad about it, but “the war on terrorism” wasn’t a valid excuse.

    Boris Johnson also liked to show himself as a great statesman by hanging out with Zelensky (probably with the message “in wartime we shouldn’t care about some unimportant covidparties*, and I am the right guy to lead you through war”).

    Also in France, Belgium and Italy politicians like to show that they are “doing something” and throw the military at problems, even if the military isn’t the most suitable for this purposes.

    For example: soldiers are often being used in cities to guard against terrorism, but they aren’t educated to stand watch for long, to deescalate aggressive people, to whom they should pay extra attention nor they have any clue what is happening in a certain neighbourhood.

    Except for demoralizing soldiers that trained for years but are being used just to stand 8 hours a day in a train station looking for a needle in a haystack it does not help a lot. More and better police officers and intelligence services and coordination can prevent it. But that is not visible to the public, so no politician can boast they did something. (Belgium still has the most underfunded intelligence services in Europe).

    The deeply unpopular French president Hollande also started a military campaign in Africa against some Muslim militia’s to compensate for his small dick and Macron took draconic steps to fight covid, banning unvaccinated people from public spaces even when evidence was limited this would limit the spread. But again, doing something that does not solve anything is better than not doing anything if you want to get votes.

    To summarize my incredibly long story: the more problems the West will face, the more likely military action is on the table. And this can happen all of a sudden. I wouldn’t say Klimkin is right, but I do feel there is something in the air.

    * To be honest, I also agree there are more important things than this, so I have more problems with people whining about this a year after than the covidparties themselves.

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    • Bert, I wish I were to be proven wrong about other boots on the ground in Ukraine. I really, really do. But, if those countries are too afraid to send the right sort of weapons to Ukraine, and in sufficient numbers, then I think this speaks a loud and clear language. Biden refuses to send weapons to Ukraine that can hit mafia land, and so does the ass wipe Scholz and so on and so forth. They all should realize by now that Ukraine is perfectly capable to win this war AND to solve the problem with the NPP, if it were given the means to do so. The dangerous issue with the NPP is the only thing where I might think there could be a change of mind in this regard by SOME countries, but not with most. It would be a big change of events, however, if even one Western country were to intervene militarily. A very big change!

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